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mostly because of fiscal cliff concerns and higher tax concerns. that said, i agree with ken. this is a larger issue that nobody is willing to talk about, the third rail of american politics -- entitlements. we can't raise taxes enough to compensate for what we need in our democrat kbrafk situation on entitlements. these are fundamental issues. it's important to understand that not only have we seen investment decline and the composition of employment. the manufacturing sector not showing big gains. the investment side of the equation not showing big gains. that shows delays in hiring and defer meant by the fiscal cliff. it's clear that we are at a fork in the road. we can choose to enhance our role in the global economy by taking the situation and making responsible decisions or by deliberately slitting our own economic throats we'll lose what credibility we have left. i think we are at the fork in the road now. >> john, instilling confidence would be a big role for washington. you know, there isn't a great deal of confidence in washington. there is less in congress. at this
mostly because of fiscal cliff concerns and higher tax concerns. that said, i agree with ken. this is a larger issue that nobody is willing to talk about, the third rail of american politics -- entitlements. we can't raise taxes enough to compensate for what we need in our democrat kbrafk situation on entitlements. these are fundamental issues. it's important to understand that not only have we seen investment decline and the composition of employment. the manufacturing sector not showing big...
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but you can see the pieces coming together, as you laid out, on the fiscal cliff. some increase in marginal tax rates coupled with some kind of cutting back on tax expenditures. the real concern is shifting or will shift from the fiscal cliff to the debt limit. it's not at all clear that the republicans will agree to including a debt limit increase in that kind of package. if they don't, we may get past december 31st only to find ourselves with a big problem in february or march. >> the obama administration, the white house has been very clear, they will not sign anything, even to get past december 31st. that doesn't include a debt ceiling of some sort. so do you think they can hold firm on that if republicans offer them a package that doesn't include the debt ceiling? >> this is where i think the tension is now arising, which is even if you have some agreement over the tax rates which will jam the republicans a bit, can you jam them on the debt limit also. i think the concern will be an administration overstepping or overreaching and trying to jam a debt limit inc
but you can see the pieces coming together, as you laid out, on the fiscal cliff. some increase in marginal tax rates coupled with some kind of cutting back on tax expenditures. the real concern is shifting or will shift from the fiscal cliff to the debt limit. it's not at all clear that the republicans will agree to including a debt limit increase in that kind of package. if they don't, we may get past december 31st only to find ourselves with a big problem in february or march. >> the...
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if we go over the fiscal cliff, you are going to have a $2,000 increase in taxes for the average household. i want to look at what the inflated prices we are currently paying for things like our 401(k)s, our bank fees, our electric utilities, our state and local taxes. they add up to $2,390. we are paying it to corporations that are making big profits. >> one of the key things corporations have been doing is finding ways to privatize redistribution upward, it is not trickled down which was invented to deride reaganism but it is amazon or niagara up. the single biggest trend is corporations pocketing taxes so they never get to the government. there are 2700 companies, every big brand name company you have ever heard of, gets to keep some or all of the state income taxes with held from their workers paychecks. they don't know this. the company gets a tax credit equal to those taxes in a confidential document. all over the place, that's what's happening. our tax dollars are being diverted to corporations through gifts, through tax credits, through all sorts of different mechanisms. >> how do
if we go over the fiscal cliff, you are going to have a $2,000 increase in taxes for the average household. i want to look at what the inflated prices we are currently paying for things like our 401(k)s, our bank fees, our electric utilities, our state and local taxes. they add up to $2,390. we are paying it to corporations that are making big profits. >> one of the key things corporations have been doing is finding ways to privatize redistribution upward, it is not trickled down which...
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my next guest is concerned that we are going over the fiscal cliff. he says, president obama seemingly is intent on pressing his post-election advantage to win tax increases on the wealthy and to eliminate the houses debt ceiling leveraged. joining us now from washington d.c., peter wallace, former reagan white house counsel, former member of the financial crisis inquiry commission. a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. good to have you here. you believe they're going over the cliff. >> i think their is a real danger of this. one can see a path for obaaa that does not look so terrible if we do go over the cliff. all of the taxes go up, but the democrats have an opportunity to introduce legislation to reduce the taxes for 98 percent of the people leaving the wealthier people, i guess you could call them wealthy, the top two percentage to stay at the high rates. it is possible to do this. lou: it is possible, but i have to ask you, surely the republicans have to understand and had to understand six months ago what what transpired in this
my next guest is concerned that we are going over the fiscal cliff. he says, president obama seemingly is intent on pressing his post-election advantage to win tax increases on the wealthy and to eliminate the houses debt ceiling leveraged. joining us now from washington d.c., peter wallace, former reagan white house counsel, former member of the financial crisis inquiry commission. a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. good to have you here. you believe they're going over the...
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and that would seem to back up a republican theme in this fiscal cliff argument. >> if we raise taxes on the top two rates which is about a million small businesses who employ 25% of the workforce, it will cost us over 700,000 jobs and reduce economic growth and lower take home pay. that's a bad scenario. >> the lead negotiator on the republican side of the table facing mr. obama says raising taxes on upper income americans will not fix the huge problems this country is facing. >> even if the president got the tax rate hike he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem and not a revenue problem. >> for many top democrats it is all about taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are that at this point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between the 39 pin 6% and the 28% that the president has for limitation or deductions creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative commentator suggested the out come of the fiscal talks won't be t
and that would seem to back up a republican theme in this fiscal cliff argument. >> if we raise taxes on the top two rates which is about a million small businesses who employ 25% of the workforce, it will cost us over 700,000 jobs and reduce economic growth and lower take home pay. that's a bad scenario. >> the lead negotiator on the republican side of the table facing mr. obama says raising taxes on upper income americans will not fix the huge problems this country is facing....
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the couple came forward before the end of the year because of concern about the looming fiscal cliff. well, they opted for the cash option of a measly $192 million and that's before taxes. >>> it is heisman time. the coveted trophy symbolizing the best college player will be awarded tonight. colin cline and meotie and johnny manziel are the finalists. >>> the holidays are quickly approaching, which means cold weather, big meals and a whole lot of yumminess like those desserts. so, who has time to hit the gym? well, that's why we're going to show you how to burn off some calories around your home and without any equipment. with us now is desiree nathanson. a certified nutritional expert and the official personal trainer of the atlanta hawks cheerleaders. you say that people shouldn't worry about hitting the gym. >> you just want to focus on being less sedentary. you want to move when you can. it's not about necessarily getting to the gym and getting to a treadmill or elliptical machine, you just want to move. if you have a desk job, you want to get up every hour and move around a few m
the couple came forward before the end of the year because of concern about the looming fiscal cliff. well, they opted for the cash option of a measly $192 million and that's before taxes. >>> it is heisman time. the coveted trophy symbolizing the best college player will be awarded tonight. colin cline and meotie and johnny manziel are the finalists. >>> the holidays are quickly approaching, which means cold weather, big meals and a whole lot of yumminess like those desserts....
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what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> greta: with us is co-host of the five, greg gutfeld. he has a new book out, the joy of hate. he's been on a road trip having a book tour, so he has been talking to lots of people and they have been talking to him. so we
what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income...
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if it it doesn't we could go over the fiscal cliff and right now the economy is in a fragile position. >> no one can argue with that one. a lot of criticism on both sides and a lot pointing to republicans that they want to see the fiscal cliff happen. is there any upside if we actually go over the cliff? >> there's no upside if we go over the cliff and what you've seen the last couple of weeks is political theater. that's how we negotiate things here in washington d.c. and the good news, the president put forth a plan and republicans have put forth a plan and i believe that obama will have to come to the table with more spending cuts and entitlement reform and republicans might have to give in to some tax increases and the cbo do a recent report, saying if republicans get what they want in extending the entire bush tax cut plan. it would only increase the gd growth by 1.5%. if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask d
if it it doesn't we could go over the fiscal cliff and right now the economy is in a fragile position. >> no one can argue with that one. a lot of criticism on both sides and a lot pointing to republicans that they want to see the fiscal cliff happen. is there any upside if we actually go over the cliff? >> there's no upside if we go over the cliff and what you've seen the last couple of weeks is political theater. that's how we negotiate things here in washington d.c. and the good...
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its way out oof this problem, shep. >> that's the fiscal cliff. now hurricane sandy and congress came up with some relief for folks who are still suffering, mike. >> that's right. president obama has asked congress for $64 billion in federal aid for new york, new jersey, and other states hammered by super storm sandy it would provide financial assistance to homeowners, businesses and local and state governments faced with the huge chore of cleaning up and rebuilding after the late october devastating storm. most new york and new jersey officials for the most part praised the request and asked congress to take quick action. speaker boehner's office says it has the paperwork and aides are reviewing it shep? >> shepard: good news. mike, turns out the super storm didn't effect the job market as much as the analysts were expecting. the labor department reported today and we learned that the unemployment rate dropped two tenths of a percent down to 7.7 last month and hiring apparently stayed steady after the storm. also while sandy cost the economy 10s
its way out oof this problem, shep. >> that's the fiscal cliff. now hurricane sandy and congress came up with some relief for folks who are still suffering, mike. >> that's right. president obama has asked congress for $64 billion in federal aid for new york, new jersey, and other states hammered by super storm sandy it would provide financial assistance to homeowners, businesses and local and state governments faced with the huge chore of cleaning up and rebuilding after the late...
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it's about the money. >> so is 37 the magic number in this fiscal cliff debate? "outfront," two men who know taxes very well. douglas holtz-ekin, president of the american action forum and robert reich from the university of california and berkeley and former secretary under bill clinton. douglas, does this sound like code for a deal in the works? >> it certainly is good news that they aren't taking things off the table. i would be premature if i was celebrating a deal. there's a long way to go. it's important that they reach an agreement. the fiscal cliff is a very real danger to the united states economy. it's a recipe for a recession. and i certainly would not like to see the rhetoric that we saw from the treasury secretary tim geithner who said he's prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. that is not a good way to talk about what's going on right now. >> mr. reich, let me ask you the same thing. do you think there's code suggesting they are working towards something? because, doug, as you point out, the language was really harsh during this week. but all of a s
it's about the money. >> so is 37 the magic number in this fiscal cliff debate? "outfront," two men who know taxes very well. douglas holtz-ekin, president of the american action forum and robert reich from the university of california and berkeley and former secretary under bill clinton. douglas, does this sound like code for a deal in the works? >> it certainly is good news that they aren't taking things off the table. i would be premature if i was celebrating a deal....
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we don't mind paying more taxes. we're more concerned about the fiscal cliff. and so i think that again there are a lot of people that want to contribute. they know that there should be shared sacrifice. they realize that we cannot do this on the backs of our elderly, poor people and those in the middle class and those trying to get to the middle class on the backs of students. and i think they're saying, you know what? we can pay more because we want to do something that is good for our country. and hopefully that message will get through to the republicans and indeed the tea party folks. >> but if the ultimate goal here, sir, is to cut the national debt and sometimes people lose sight of that in the discussion here, the gop says the dems are just offering more spending and little in way of cutting. are democrats willing to give at all on entitlements? >> keep in mind, yes. and the president has made it clear. but we've got to look very carefully at the entitlements and realize that something like medicare, medicare right now you've got a situation where there
we don't mind paying more taxes. we're more concerned about the fiscal cliff. and so i think that again there are a lot of people that want to contribute. they know that there should be shared sacrifice. they realize that we cannot do this on the backs of our elderly, poor people and those in the middle class and those trying to get to the middle class on the backs of students. and i think they're saying, you know what? we can pay more because we want to do something that is good for our...
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one of the things about this fiscal cliff debate that bothers me, even if we raise taxes on the top two or three% and the president may reveil. then you go into 2013 and i heard the discussion on the debt which was fantastic. even if we do the tax increases on the rich they're not going to raise that much money and not that many people that make over 400 $500,000 a year and that means if the liberals want a fund these new programs and they want to bring this trillion dollar debt down. you know where they have to go, eric, who are they going to have to tax. they're f are not going to be w on the very rich, 1 or 2%, they're going to go after the middle class, at least howard dean was being honest. >> clayton: people watch fox and other networks with a different perspective on taxes and what not. >> eric: the reality is, we have a spending problem, steve. how much money we're actually taxing, tax revenues are going up. >> they have to. >> eric: it's a spending issue. if we're putting a trillion dollars into the deficit you can't fix that with taxes. >> no, you sure can't. eric, when i firs
one of the things about this fiscal cliff debate that bothers me, even if we raise taxes on the top two or three% and the president may reveil. then you go into 2013 and i heard the discussion on the debt which was fantastic. even if we do the tax increases on the rich they're not going to raise that much money and not that many people that make over 400 $500,000 a year and that means if the liberals want a fund these new programs and they want to bring this trillion dollar debt down. you know...
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you want to know what's at the bottom of that fiscal cliff, well, there you have it. many say that what's going to happen if something isn't done soon, but guess what? alice rivlin has a plan. she's a senior fellow at the brookings institution and served as director of the white house office of management and budget, the omb, under president clinton. alice, good morning. >> good morning. >> nice to have you here on the show this morning. you're saying that it's too late for the lame duck congress to pass legislation to fix all the problems that exist, but you have created a framework for something that you call a grand bargain. what is it? >> well, it isn't just me. anybody who has looked at this problem, i was on the simpson/bowles commission and chaired another committee with senator domenici. everybody sees first that the budget is on an unsustainable course. we're on a course to accumulate more debt over the years and accumulate debt faster than the economy can grow. that's not sustainable. the grand bargain is that we have to do something about this, and the thin
you want to know what's at the bottom of that fiscal cliff, well, there you have it. many say that what's going to happen if something isn't done soon, but guess what? alice rivlin has a plan. she's a senior fellow at the brookings institution and served as director of the white house office of management and budget, the omb, under president clinton. alice, good morning. >> good morning. >> nice to have you here on the show this morning. you're saying that it's too late for the lame...
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in terms of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes on everybody. one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last remaining house race of the 2012 election cycle is pabt to come to a close. in louisiana, republican congressman charles boustany jr., jeff landry facing off in a runoff election. they were forced to run in the same district in bayou because of the state's shrinking congressional delegation. both conservative republicans, landry a tea party freshman. we'll keep you abreast of what happens. >>> meanwhile, high drama about to surround the high court as the justices agree to take on the high-stakes issue of same-sex marriage. ♪ >>> the man
in terms of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes on everybody. one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the...